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IceUniverse: Samsung Galaxy S26 Edge to pack a 4,400 mAh battery Comments
IceUniverse: Samsung Galaxy S26 Edge to pack a 4,400 mAh battery Comments

GSM Arena

time01-08-2025

  • GSM Arena

IceUniverse: Samsung Galaxy S26 Edge to pack a 4,400 mAh battery Comments

B DarlingYext, 49 minutes ago I work in a mobile phone store, people come here with complaints about phones every day. Those... more i work on mobile repair (until i finish my Engineering degree) as well, and a big reason i daily a Galaxy is the good, at least on S-Series, price of original parts, how easy and quick it is to obtain them, and how straightforward they are to service when it comes to software! That, and OneUI, although the latter is personal preference. DarlingYext, 5 hours ago What did Ice use to measure that battery? Whatever, it doesn't really mattery, that si... more This story now specifies a battery size In short Battery increase yes thinner NO Below is my post then to the the post Darling Yext has again repeat (No URL for the site he gets his misinformation from) Confirmed: The Galaxy S26 Edge will be thinner than the S25 Edge and have a larger battery thanks to new battery material technology. This is a rumour neither initiated by nor confirmed by Samsung, Samsung is NOT the party responsible, Ice Universe is. Your criticism of Samsung shows you don't understand the vectors at play. Multiple reasons to dismiss it out but don't let this clickbait campaign prevent Darling Yext from ignoring facts which will be another 10 months until the S26 Edge is released. #1) Let's not forget his prediction that this S25 Edge would be the S25 Ultra specs inside a thinner S25+ frame #2) There was a desire to get a thinner that desire had NOW been met #3 A now thinner phone than the S25 Edge (no longer 3900mAh Lithum ion) has a bigger battery #4 thinner phones have a limit so in 2027 the S27 Edge will have to INCREASE back to the (not going to happen) S26 Edge reduced size #6) UW camera cannot be improved upon the same reason #3& #4 battery Perhaps the SINGLE CRITICAL RESTRICTION is overheating. The S25 Edge uses Qualcomm's flagship SoC the 3nm Snapdragon 8 Gen 4. "The sustained performance isn't great, as one would expect from a thin chassis like this one. The Snapdragon 8 Elite's CPU started throttling within the first 5 minutes of the CPU test, while the GPU stability score is below 50%. You can expect considerable thermal throttling during long gaming sessions." It CANNOT get thinner as that would mean an ever smaller vapour chamber AFTER presumably upgraded to the latest Qualcomm flagship SoC The S26 Edge cannot and will not get thinner and at the same time improve specs. Phone sizes have increased to where they are now The S25 Edge was preliminary named the SLIM my post found here, using maths disproved the claim then & misinformation text by this "commentator' 99% of phones achieve a 50% charge in 30 minutes FROM FLAT. Darling Yext seems to have struggled with all aspects of charging phones. That appears to have been resolved when he via "Trial & error?" began using phones above 25W. It is laughable that he now attempts to lecture us on Faster Charging when it is a problem he alone experienced. Spoiler Alert We can read % during charging and use (discharging). If we fully discharge our phone and do not notice Charging at home will be the principal charging place & many people just carry a charging cable ( if e.g not in their car already) there are multiple places/ports outside home, and those who can't adapt so a wild guess battery pack? I thank Darling Yext for not including Fast Charging protocols so as not to be too technical and overcomplicate matters, especially as the S25 is a 25W phone, so everyone will be unaware of the complexity that 45W brings. If and when Samsung will provide instructions. #2 There was a desire to get a thinner that desire had NOW been met. Thinner means bigger vapour chamber Not Again, 56 minutes ago Samsung's customer service is absolute rubbish in the EU. Especially if you have a foldab... more I work in a mobile phone store, people come here with complaints about phones every day. Those devices are mostly Xiaomi, Apple and Samsung ones. As for iPhones, they are pretty easy (but expensive) to repair at one of their official repair shops, so no issues with that. Xiaomi devices aren't that lucky, but some non-official stores can and will repair them as well, for not that much money. However Samsung denies warranty claims way too often according to customers I've talked to, thus their customers service is absolutely awful. Sailory, 1 hour ago Look, you can write anything you want with chatGPT, I owned a lot of phones and I also had the... more "Every SiC battery in any modern phone is rated at 1000-1200 charging cycles until it gets to 80% capacity. Samsung's batteries for years are rated at 2000 cycles" That's cool, until you realise that 75% battery health on a 6000mAh battery means 4500mAh, which is still more than 100% on a phone with a 4400mAh battery. Oh, well. N DarlingYext, 2 hours ago Samsung's customer service is absolute rubbish in the EU. Especially if you have a foldab... more Samsung's customer service is absolute rubbish in the EU. Especially if you have a foldable device, any tiny scratch anywhere on that thing and your warranty is void. You famously admit you don't and haven't owned any Samsung products for years Yext somehow you know nothing enough to post the nonsense now on a phone just two months old You haven't seen the phone, nobody in your circle owns a Samsung so can't cite one incidence. You post more unreliable comments than all of the collective rumours on X that are published here ? Am i just stupid because i do not understand with some oems making regular slab phones to be very thin instead of having bigger battery? Does people really want to buy these? Then oems will sell external magnetic Qi2 portable power banks which makes that super thin phone even thicker than regular slab phone. Of course with folding phones(especially tri folding phones) people want thinner more like 8-10mm but with slab phones? I do not see the appeal honestly. k Sailory, 1 hour ago Look, you can write anything you want with chatGPT, I owned a lot of phones and I also had the... more No, you didn't guess with your assumption about ChatGtp. I've banned all sorts of AI nonsense like Gemini, etc... I don't need them, I went to school and paid attention in class. Another one who fell for the marketing trick of 2000 cycles... It would be good if the battery was 6000-7000mA, not 4400-5000. Because these 2000 cycles don't give you anything more with a small battery that you will charge more often, which will degrade it faster, which will lead to even more frequent charging and even faster degradation. These 2000 cycles do not mean 2000 days of life, as you might think. I'll teach you something else. The mA on the batteries that the manufacturer gives you does not mean that you will have 5000mA for 2000 charging cycles. They mean that the manufacturer guarantees that for these 2000 cycles your battery will have a capacity of AT LEAST 80 percent of the one originally given to you. It doesn't matter if on the third, thirtieth or 1300 cycles your battery is no longer 100 percent healthy. As long as it is at least 80 percent everything is OK. So after 1000 cycles on a 6500mA battery and charging every day and a half, which will be equal to 1500 days of life, I will still have at least 5200mA battery. Which will still be more than your initial 5000 after 1500 charges once a day and even if it has degraded only to 90 percent it will be 4500mA. I have a 1+10 Pro with a fast 80 watt charger and I charge it to 100 percent every time, once a day, and after 4 and a half years I still have the original battery and it still lasts me 1 day. So what? I'm from Bulgaria, it's not colder than Germany. So what? Even my first Xiaomi Mi 3 from 2013 still has the original battery and some life left in it. S kdss, 2 hours ago You would be right about fast charging, if you weren't completely wrong. The fact that yo... more Look, you can write anything you want with chatGPT, I owned a lot of phones and I also had the OnePlus 12. You can convince yourself however you want that fast charging is better, but the device overheats like crazy. Maybe if you live in Norway where it's not that warm it's going to stay cooler, in Germany where I live it got really hot every time, so much so that I developed a habit of charging it face down to allow the heat to dissipate faster. There are studies on batteries where it's proven that heat degrades the battery faster and it did on my OP 12 and my older Huawei phones. Maybe the new technology will be better, it's yet to be proven for me. I gave my Galaxy s23 Ultra to my dad and that 2 year old device still lasts more than any device I have ever had. Also you say 80% capacity on 6000mAh is better than 80% on 4400. That's theoretically true but how many charging cycles is the battery rated for? I'll tell you. Every SiC battery in any modern phone is rated at 1000-1200 charging cycles until it gets to 80% capacity. Samsung's batteries for years are rated at 2000 cycles. And I witnessed it first hand on the s23 Ultra and I absolutely used that thing havily for almost 2 years, no overheating while charging, charges from 15% to 90% in around 50 min which is plenty fast, that's why I chose not to sell it. But sure, you can believe what chatGPT or some online article says without knowing yourself first hand k DarlingYext, 2 hours ago Samsung's customer service is absolute rubbish in the EU. Especially if you have a foldab... more My colleague waited about 40 days to have his Fold4 screen replaced. He was denied the warranty by the official service center, "mechanical damage". He paid, what could he do? He was either screwing up with the money for the display or had to forget about the money for the entire phone, and it was only 3 months old. k Sailory, 2 hours ago After owning almost every brand out there, I can honestly say Samsung is the most reliable. If... more You would be right about fast charging, if you weren't completely wrong. The fact that your battery is dead has nothing to do with fast charging. Stop fantasizing, and go read a little about batteries. Batteries degrade from: 1 - High temperature. The new technology allows you to charge your battery at least 2 times faster, which reduces its heating by half. 1+/Oppo even uses technology that allows the heat dissipation during charging to be mainly from the adapter. 2 - The smaller the battery, the more often you charge it, the faster it will degrade. Guess which brand still relies on small batteries? 🤣 3 - Charging from 80 to 100 percent. Can you guess which is better? Limiting a 6000+mAh battery to 80 percent or limiting a 4400mAh battery to 80 percent? 🤣🤣 4 - Each manufacturer generally uses their own protocols for charging their phones' batteries. If you use a charger that doesn't meet them, your phone will heat up and won't charge as fast as it's supposed to. This also leads to battery degradation. But you can continue living in the land of slow charging and small batteries, no problem. Sailory, 2 hours ago After owning almost every brand out there, I can honestly say Samsung is the most reliable. If... more Samsung's customer service is absolute rubbish in the EU. Especially if you have a foldable device, any tiny scratch anywhere on that thing and your warranty is void. S kdss, 2 hours ago You would be right about Lamborghini if Lamborghini sold cars for 200,000 euros with a top spe... more After owning almost every brand out there, I can honestly say Samsung is the most reliable. If any other brand will have the same software, same availability and same custome support in case of damage as Samsung does, then I'll gladly switch to that brand. I don't gieva crap what logo is on my device, as long as it offers everything, not just hardware. But sadly nothing compares to what Samsung (and Apple) provide in the US and Europe. You can go on and brag about something like fast charging all you want, that crippled my older phones batteries. I will always activate the slower charging and put battery protection on as I have very bad experience with fast charging. People, especially here in GSMArena, believe that hardware features are the only thing that matter. But it's not a coincidence that Samsung and Apple are the top sellers worldwide, they have the best update policy, best customer support and great deals consistently k Vale, 4 hours ago How are people getting milked? You know you don't have to buy anything if you don't ... more You would be right about Lamborghini if Lamborghini sold cars for 200,000 euros with a top speed of 100 km/h and 15.9s to 100km/h. But they sell cars that match the money they ask for them. And you are being milked by Samsung, because for the sixth year in a row they are going to offer you a phone with the same battery, the same charging speed, almost the same cameras, etc., but with an increased price. But it doesn't matter. The important thing is that you are happy with the name of it - Samsung. Vale, 4 hours ago How are people getting milked? You know you don't have to buy anything if you don't ... more The examples you took are so wrong. Lamborghini and arguably most watch companies put more thought into theirs products than Samsung. Not using S/Ci battery tech for a phone like this was already comical, but two gens in a row is properly despicable. But again, Samsung and innovation parted ways some time ago now. What about the s26 pro? k Strawhat, 4 hours ago Silicon Carbon technology? Next century. Maybe. S Silicon Carbon technology? T Great news if S26 Pro will get bigger...

Nothing Phone 3 vs. iPhone 16 Plus: The ULTIMATE Speed Test!
Nothing Phone 3 vs. iPhone 16 Plus: The ULTIMATE Speed Test!

Geeky Gadgets

time26-07-2025

  • Geeky Gadgets

Nothing Phone 3 vs. iPhone 16 Plus: The ULTIMATE Speed Test!

When selecting a flagship smartphone, performance often becomes a critical factor in the decision-making process. The Nothing Phone 3, powered by the Snapdragon 8S Gen 4 chipset, 16 GB of RAM, and UFS 4.0 storage, positions itself as a strong competitor to the iPhone 16 Plus, which features Apple's A18 chip and 8 GB of RAM. Priced at $800, the Nothing Phone 3 aims to deliver exceptional performance across key areas such as app loading, multitasking, gaming, and video exporting. In the video PhoneBuff delves into how these two devices stack up in terms of speed and more. Watch this video on YouTube. Core Performance: Hardware and Optimization The Nothing Phone 3 is equipped with the Snapdragon 8S Gen 4 chipset, a flagship processor designed to handle demanding tasks with ease. Its 16 GB of RAM and UFS 4.0 storage provide fast data access and smooth multitasking, making it a powerhouse for Android users. On the other hand, the iPhone 16 Plus relies on Apple's A18 chip, which is renowned for its efficiency and seamless integration with iOS. While its 8 GB of RAM may seem modest in comparison, Apple's software optimization ensures efficient resource management. Benchmark tests reveal that the Nothing Phone 3 excels in raw computational power, particularly in tasks requiring high memory bandwidth. However, the iPhone 16 Plus uses Apple's vertical integration to deliver consistent performance, even with lower RAM capacity. This balance between hardware and software allows the iPhone to remain competitive despite its seemingly less robust specifications. App Loading and Multitasking: Speed vs. Efficiency In terms of app loading speeds, the Nothing Phone 3 takes a noticeable lead. Its combination of 16 GB of RAM and UFS 4.0 storage enables faster launches, particularly for resource-intensive applications. This advantage is evident in everyday use, where the Nothing Phone 3 consistently outperforms the iPhone 16 Plus in initial app loading times. Multitasking is another area where the Nothing Phone 3 shines. The additional RAM allows it to keep more apps active in the background, reducing the need for frequent reloads. In contrast, the iPhone 16 Plus, while efficient, occasionally closes background apps to conserve resources. This can result in slightly less fluid multitasking, especially for users who frequently switch between multiple applications. Gaming and Video Exporting: Where the iPhone Excels Gaming performance highlights the strengths of the iPhone 16 Plus. The A18 chip, combined with iOS optimization, delivers smoother frame rates and superior thermal management during extended gaming sessions. Popular titles like *Genshin Impact* and *Call of Duty Mobile* run with fewer frame drops on the iPhone, making it an ideal choice for gamers seeking a consistent and immersive experience. Video exporting, another processor-intensive task, also favors the iPhone 16 Plus. Its hardware-accelerated encoding and optimized software enable it to complete exports faster than the Nothing Phone 3. While the Snapdragon 8S Gen 4 in the Nothing Phone 3 performs admirably, it struggles to match the efficiency and speed of the iPhone in these scenarios. This makes the iPhone a preferred option for users involved in media production or frequent video editing. Everyday Usability: Finding the Right Balance Both devices deliver a smooth and reliable experience for day-to-day tasks. The Nothing Phone 3's fast app loading and robust multitasking capabilities make it an excellent choice for users who prioritize speed and efficiency. Meanwhile, the iPhone 16 Plus offers a polished and consistent experience, with seamless transitions and reliable performance across a wide range of activities. Battery life is comparable between the two devices, with both offering a full day of use under moderate workloads. However, the iPhone's tighter hardware-software integration gives it a slight edge in power efficiency during intensive tasks. This can be a deciding factor for users who frequently push their devices to the limit. Making the Right Choice The Nothing Phone 3 and iPhone 16 Plus each bring unique strengths to the table, catering to different user preferences and priorities. Nothing Phone 3: Excels in app loading speeds, multitasking, and overall usability, making it an attractive option for Android users seeking high performance at a competitive price. Excels in app loading speeds, multitasking, and overall usability, making it an attractive option for Android users seeking high performance at a competitive price. iPhone 16 Plus: Stands out in gaming and video exporting, offering smoother frame rates and faster processing for media-heavy tasks. At $800, the Nothing Phone 3 delivers exceptional value, positioning itself as a formidable competitor in the flagship smartphone market. However, for users who prioritize gaming performance and media production, the iPhone 16 Plus remains a compelling choice. Ultimately, both devices offer robust performance, making sure a satisfying experience regardless of your preference. Here is a selection of other guides from our extensive library of content you may find of interest on Snapdragon 8S Gen 4. Source & Image Credit: PhoneBuff Filed Under: Android News, Apple iPhone, Guides Latest Geeky Gadgets Deals Disclosure: Some of our articles include affiliate links. 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Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE vs Motorola Razr (2025): I know which one I'd buy
Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE vs Motorola Razr (2025): I know which one I'd buy

Android Authority

time10-07-2025

  • Android Authority

Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE vs Motorola Razr (2025): I know which one I'd buy

If there's one thing I like, it's a flip phone. If there are two things I like, they're flip phones and good values. For a long time, only one device checked both boxes, and it was Motorola's base-level Razr. Now, though, there's a new competitor in town: Samsung's Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE. At a glance, it looks like everything that a Samsung fan on a slightly tighter budget might want, yet I can't see it pulling me away from the Razr that I already like so much. Here's why in a battle of the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE vs Motorola Razr (2025), I'm picking the Razr every time. Which phone would you rather get? 0 votes Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE NaN % Motorola Razr (2025) NaN % Neither NaN % The simplest cover screen setup is always the best Ryan Haines / Android Authority I've never shied away from the fact that Samsung's Flex Window experience isn't my favorite. Sure, its collection of widgets is excellent — they're probably the most reliable way to check the weather, adjust my Spotify playlist, and keep up with my hectic calendar — but I only see widgets as half the battle. As soon as I need to go deeper on my cover screen, the Galaxy Z Flip tends to give up while the Razr keeps pushing forward. I mean, until Samsung gives up on Good Lock and gives me one unified app drawer experience on the Flex Window, I will always recommend the Razr's simple setup. Essentially, Motorola's approach to opening apps on its 3.6-inch cover screen is to let you opt into any apps and hope for the best. Usually, it works out pretty well. I've had no problems swiping through Instagram, dealing kudos on Strava, or placing a quick order on GrubHub. Maybe I have to adjust the window above or below the camera cutouts now and then, but I've yet to find an app that won't play ball. On the other hand, Samsung limits the apps optimized for its 3.4-inch Flex Window to little more than YouTube, Google Maps, and Google Messages. At least, I haven't found any others that work in the default app drawer, because I'm too quick to install Good Lock and set up a secondary drawer for everything I'll actually use. Granted, I appreciate not having to modify the window every time a button gets lost behind the cameras, but I'm not sure if that's enough to outweigh the odd folder-like shape. Also, Samsung's unlisted refresh rate lags behind the Razr's 120Hz cover screen, no doubt about it. Motorola's Razr design is far more fun Ryan Haines / Android Authority On top of looking for the best cover screen experience I can get, I've always subscribed to the idea that a flip phone should look as fun as it feels. If I pull a tiny, Klondike Bar-shaped phone out of my pocket, I want people to take notice. I want something fun and different that will get at least one or two people to turn their heads and ask a question, especially if they had an original Razr back in the day, if only because it allows me to talk about my favorite type of Android phone. As you might imagine, I think the Razr (2025) checks that box much better than the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE. Between its fun, Pantone-partnered colors and funky textures and materials, it's far more enjoyable to pull the Razr out of my pocket and turn it over in my hand. I wasn't sure that the nylon-inspired Gibraltar Sea version that I received for review would have enough grip on its back panel, but I was happy to be proven wrong, and I continue to display it on my desk right alongside the last few generations of Motorola flip phones. And, if nylon isn't your speed, Motorola has a pair of leather-inspired options in Parfait Pink and Spring Bud or an acetate-paneled Lightest Sky that might work instead. Samsung's mid-level flip phone, on the other hand, pulls directly from the previous Galaxy Z Flip 6, but it skips the one thing that made that design enjoyable: the colors. Samsung carried almost every last millimeter of its Galaxy Z Flip 5 into the Galaxy Z Flip 6, relying on new colors to spice up the overall style. Now, its first foldable Fan Edition is doing the same. It looks and feels identical, from the folder-shaped Flex Window to the flat-sided frame to the 6.7-inch internal AMOLED panel. The only problem is that the colors Samsung is counting on couldn't be more bland — you can get the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE in black, or you can get it in white. Even Henry Ford would probably get bored with these color options before long. Perhaps the most disappointing part of the limited color options for the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE is that it feels so unlike Samsung. I'm used to getting my choice of fun shades from the Fan Edition series, with the Galaxy S24 FE coming in options like Blue and Mint to break me out of the simple grays. On the bright side, though, Samsung's use of Armor Aluminum and Gorilla Glass Victus 2 is just a bit tougher than the Razr's panel of original Gorilla Glass Victus. Both budget-minded flip phones pack IP48 ratings, which are plenty good against water, but you'll want to be careful about trips to the beach. Seven years of updates is great, but I like Hello UX better Hadlee Simons / Android Authority If there's one advantage I cannot hand to the Razr (2025), it's software support. Despite spending time owned by Google and running the far lighter, smoother Android skin, Motorola's commitment to keeping that software up to date lags far behind what Samsung has to offer. Its mere three years of Android updates and four years of security patches is only about half of what Samsung has to offer, and will leave the Razr watching from the sidelines by the time Android 18 rolls around. The Galaxy S24 FE, on the other hand, will get seven years of Android and security support, carrying it comfortably into the 2030s. My issues with Samsung's Flex Window probably tell you which Android skin I prefer overall. Although I'll have to upgrade my Razr (2025) a few years before my Galaxy Z Flip, I'd much rather have the light, Pixel-esque Hello UX in my pocket, jumping through its simple, organized app drawer and keeping myself from getting lost in its menus. Everything about exploring and customizing a Razr makes navigating the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE feel like a cumbersome mess of menus — and that's before you install Good Lock. Motorola's clean, simple Hello UX is as close to a Pixel-based flip phone as I'm going to get... for now. Motorola's clean, color-coordinated themes and reliance on the default Google apps make its overall software experience much cleaner and easier to recommend. Sure, there's usually still a bit of bloatware, but it's easier to purge one or two apps like Facebook and Netflix than to decide between Samsung's internet browser, in-house Gallery app, and Microsoft-based extras like OneDrive and Outlook. Of course, if you're willing to explore customization, you might find that Samsung's Good Lock modules are worth every penny. Clever twists like DIY Home allow you to make your home screen into just about any level of organized grid or absolute chaos that you desire, while several star-based modules (like MultiStar, RegiStar, QuickStar, and NaviStar) give you control over everything from your navigation buttons to the finer parts of your settings menu. I prefer to keep my Android experience as clean as possible, so I only really download MultiStar because I need it for better control over the Flex Window, but you might find that Samsung's extras are right up your alley. Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE vs Motorola Razr (2025): There's only one flip phone for true fans Ryan Haines / Android Authority I get the idea of the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE on paper — it's almost the same as the motivation behind Motorola's base Razr. However, in practice, I think it misses what makes the Razr (2025) so good. Where Motorola's entry-level flip phone feels like a distinct launch, offering its own design, its own cameras, and a meaningfully cheaper price, the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE feels like a rebadged Galaxy Z Flip 6, but without as much power and not nearly as much of a discount off the price of the Galaxy Z Flip 7. The base Razr starts at just $699, making it a pretty reasonable bet for anyone looking to upgrade to a flagship phone. It's more affordable than the Galaxy S25, the Pixel 9, or even the iPhone 16, which should convince at least a few prospective buyers to try something new. It's a full $300 cheaper than the mid-level Razr Plus and around $500 less expensive than the top-end Razr Ultra, but has enough of an identity to stand apart from either one. Motorola nailed the Razr's value, while Samsung's Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE is last year's phone without enough of a discount. The Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE, on the other hand, starts at $899 — one of the toughest price points in flagships. It's more expensive than most base options, yet slightly more affordable than beasts like the Pixel 9 Pro and Galaxy S25 Plus, making it a way to save a little bit of money. However, by keeping that $100, you're downgrading your charging speed, ditching a third rear camera, risking a lower IP rating, and limiting yourself to simple color options like black and white. Maybe none of that is a dealbreaker to you, but it changes how I see Samsung's new offering. Where the Razr (2025) is a fun, colorful flip phone that could be a great way to get your foot in the door, the Galaxy Z Flip 7 FE is a near-flagship with the wrong set of cuts. It's caught between two worlds, and I'd much rather pick the flip phone that knows where it stands.

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